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HOUSTON247
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AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING
      #713738 - 08/03/12 09:23 AM

HI I AM JAIME SOTO FROM UOH(UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON) I AM ONE OF THE PROFESSOR INVIGILATOR OF THIS UNIVERSITY.OUR UNIVERSITY IS PRACTICING AUTOMATED TEST SINCE CHEATING IS ALWAYS PRESENT.

MY STUDENT CAN EASILY CHEAT FROM THEIR SEATMATES,ASKING QUESTION OR EVEN LOOKING ON THE MONITOR OF STUDENT NEARBY.

HOW CAN I PREVENT THIS CHEATING ON OUR CURRENT AUTOMTED TESTING? IS THERE ANY SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM?

PLEASE GIVE ME SOME STRATEGY OR TECHNIQUES THAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT FOR OUR CURRENT AUTOMATED TESTING,YOU SUGGESTION WOULD BE A BIG HELP FOR US.

THANK YOU

Edited by HOUSTON247 (08/03/12 09:36 AM)


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FredMan
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: HOUSTON247]
      #713755 - 08/03/12 12:29 PM

Dude, I have no idea what you are trying to say other than you are shouting and that is against forum guidelines.

Are you saying that you are teaching automated testing and you believe your students are cheating? If you don't want them cheating, move them or put blinders on the monitors.

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Joe Strazzere
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: FredMan]
      #713776 - 08/04/12 03:16 PM

Houston247,

This forum is for questions about Automated Software Testing, not related to student exams.

I'm moving this thread into the Chit-Chat forum.

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Joe Strazzere
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #713777 - 08/04/12 03:21 PM

Houston247,

If you have fully automated your student examinations, there's no reason for you to present the same questions to every student.

Instead, with little extra work, you can present different questions to each student.

That way, you could prevent most cheating with just a few human monitors walking around the examination room.

And you really should consider avoiding multiple-choice or short-answer questions, and instead focus on longer-response questions requiring real insight. Of course those will take longer to read and grade.

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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #713824 - 08/06/12 05:31 AM

Quote:


And you really should consider avoiding multiple-choice or short-answer questions, and instead focus on longer-response questions requiring real insight.




Joe,

I find this statement not only naive and churlish, but disrespectful to anyone who has ever sat a multiple choice exam of any substance.

Have you completed some research to back up these claims?


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SimonFromLeeds
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713827 - 08/06/12 05:45 AM

Quote:

Have you completed some research to back up these claims?




So who thinks Joe has:

a) Completed independent peer-reviewed published scientific research
b) Completed some unpublished scientific research
c) Completed some unpublished ad-hoc research
d) Offered an opinion based on his world-view



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Turbografx
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: SimonFromLeeds]
      #713830 - 08/06/12 05:54 AM

Simon,

Telling someone they really should do something is a strange way to express an opinion.

A two minute google search will explain many benefits of MCQ. I usually have some foundation to my "opinions", but maybe that's just me.


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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713832 - 08/06/12 06:14 AM

Quote:

Telling someone they really should do something is a strange way to express an opinion.



Sorry, I wasn't trying to be offensive. That's just my way of expressing my opinion. Obviously, other than the people who work for me, my saying "you really should" has no real impact.

I was only trying to express a way to avoid a cheating problem, nothing more. I make no claims about multiple-choice being a better or worse format for testing - I was only looking at it from a cheating point of view. To me multiple-choice lends itself to cheating more than long-answer does.

I'm not trying to cast aspersions on people who might favor multiple-choice problems. I have taken more than a few multiple-choice exams of substance over the years. No disrespect for similar test-takers was intended, I assure you.

Thanks for pointing out how you understood my writing. I'll try to be clearer expressing my view going forward.

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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713835 - 08/06/12 06:22 AM

Quote:

A two minute google search will explain many benefits of MCQ.



I actually did some studying of the multiple-choice format questions, but this was many years ago, and in a completely different context.

If I recall correctly, the vast majority of the advantages had to do with cost and efficiency.

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SimonFromLeeds
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713839 - 08/06/12 06:36 AM

Quote:

Simon,

Telling someone they really should do something is a strange way to express an opinion.

A two minute google search will explain many benefits of MCQ. I usually have some foundation to my "opinions", but maybe that's just me.




Zero marks. It was a multiple choice question! My contribution was only intended as a joke, I'd have thought was obvious. And telling someone they really should do something is in my experience a fairly common way to express an opinion. This is an internet forum, all you get is opinions, it's up us to judge our value of the opinions.


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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: SimonFromLeeds]
      #713846 - 08/06/12 06:59 AM

Simon,

Here's some ways to express an opinion. See if you can spot the difference :

http://www.vocabulary.cl/Lists/Opinions.htm

I'm just correcting Joe's statement that you don't need "real insight" into a topic when answering MCQs.

Take that as you will.


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SimonFromLeeds
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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713857 - 08/06/12 07:43 AM

Turbografx,

"I find this statement not only naive and churlish, but disrespectful to anyone who has ever sat a multiple choice exam of any substance."

http://thesaurus.com/browse/hyperbolism

Which when you're quibbling about how someone else expresses themselves seems a like the pot calling the kettle black.


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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: SimonFromLeeds]
      #713859 - 08/06/12 07:49 AM

Are you trying to suggest that my statement was over the top?

Ok, maybe a little


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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Turbografx]
      #713865 - 08/06/12 09:14 AM

Quote:

I'm just correcting Joe's statement that you don't need "real insight" into a topic when answering MCQs.



Ah, so that's the source of the confusion!

What I said was: "And you really should consider avoiding multiple-choice or short-answer questions, and instead focus on longer-response questions requiring real insight."

What I meant was that longer-response answers typically require real insight to answer.

I didn't say that other answer formats didn't need real insight. Although I don't pretend to understand the sensitivity toward multiple-choice answers that you are expressing, I didn't mean to start a religious war here.

Perhaps I should have said: "And you might wish to use longer-response questions that might make it harder to cheat." and left it at that.

Speaking for myself of course (which is the only kind of speaking I do; notice the tagline beneath the signature below)...

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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #713869 - 08/06/12 12:29 PM

Didn't anyone else's BS meter peg after reading the OP?

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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: SteveO44]
      #713871 - 08/06/12 12:33 PM

Quote:

Didn't anyone else's BS meter peg after reading the OP?



My personal opinion is "No, not mine".

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Re: AUTOMATED TESTING PROBLEMS ON CHEATING [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #713874 - 08/06/12 12:57 PM

Mine did. If he's a professional Invigilator, he should know how to keep students from cheating. That's his job.

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