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Joe Strazzere
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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: RR1740]
      #621618 - 04/09/10 07:52 AM

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You must be joking (being Asperger, I cannot tell ).
I guess you think Hitler was a pacifist, Stalin was a girl and Elvis is alive. Am I correct in any?




There's no need for you to guess. Read what I wrote again. See if I indicated what I think about any of them.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #621720 - 04/10/10 07:09 AM

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There's no need for you to guess. Read what I wrote again. See if I indicated what I think about any of them.




You wrote: "You can ascribe whatever attributes you like to a dead person."

This means, by use of the word 'any', that you can ascribe girliness to Stalin and alive to Elvis Presley. Of course you can. You can also ascribe the color red to white snow. Well: I ascribe the attribute nonsense to such statements. But before doing that, please tell me if this - nonsense - is what you mean to convey. Because in that case I really missed out on a joke.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: RR1740]
      #621734 - 04/10/10 01:50 PM

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But before doing that, please tell me if this - nonsense - is what you mean to convey. Because in that case I really missed out on a joke.




I'll try one more time.

You can choose to ascribe Autism or Asbergers or Schizophrenia or any other condition to any dead person you choose - Einstein, Newton, Jesus, whatever. Feel free.

Since they are all dead, nobody can prove you wrong, and nobody can prove you right.

But your statement implying that there is any certainty in the diagnosis of one of these dead folks is indeed nonsense.

I hope this was clear enough.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #621743 - 04/11/10 01:51 AM

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Since they are all dead, nobody can prove you wrong, and nobody can prove you right.

But your statement implying that there is any certainty in the diagnosis of one of these dead folks is indeed nonsense.

I hope this was clear enough.




Thanks for the retry.
I understand this and I simply disagree.
Both Asperger and schizofrenia, as well as manic depression and psychopathology and some other conditions have a set of clear symptoms that may be deduced from biographies of deceased people.

You cannot ascribe schizofrenia, manic depression or psychopathology to Einstein because there is nothing in his biography that points to his having one of these conditions. Contrary to Asperger. That condition is as easy to prove (read: to make a case for) with Einstein as it is in any living person. The problem with 'proving' it is actually the same.

I used the example of psychopathology because, although the conditions are vastly different, even mirroringly different, one could sometimes be hard pressed to distinguish it from Asperger. Although both Aspergers and psychopaths themselves (given that they know either concept) would laugh at any confusion with these.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: RR1740]
      #622179 - 04/14/10 02:45 AM

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....I understand this and I simply disagree.
Both Asperger and schizofrenia, as well as manic depression and psychopathology and some other conditions have a set of clear symptoms that may be deduced from biographies of deceased people.
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I don't buy it.


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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: RR1740]
      #687738 - 10/06/11 08:52 AM

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/...oftware-testing

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: cybersurf]
      #687921 - 10/08/11 02:36 PM

cybersurf

Interesting collection of half truths and opinions but with no data or any real proof.

Sure people with disabilities can be employed in positive ways which is admiral in a sheltered workshop way.

I would also agree some may make good testers, but to prove that they will all be good at testing because of their condition or even superior is very doubtful at best.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: rtehve]
      #688298 - 10/12/11 11:12 AM

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Interesting collection of half truths and opinions but with no data or any real proof.




Gravity is just a theory that could some day be replaced by a better theory when we have more information to support it.

"Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch it to be sure."

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Sure people with disabilities can be employed in positive ways which is admiral in a sheltered workshop way.





Sheltering people creates an environment that is ill prepared to deal with reality.

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I would also agree some may make good testers, but to prove that they will all be good at testing because of their condition or even superior is very doubtful at best.




I believe every person has a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort. Wouldn't you agree?

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: cybersurf]
      #688307 - 10/12/11 12:16 PM

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Sheltering people creates an environment that is ill prepared to deal with reality.




I couldn't agree more. I'm not a person with any disabilities but I did, for a time, have a physical problem that needed help (I broke my leg). I personally found it insulting when people INSISTED that I needed help doing things that I was perfectly capable of doing myself. Yeah, ya know, it was a little harder and some of my solutions were a bit unconventional, but when the convention is built around having two working legs, unconventional is the only way to go.

I would assume that the same could be for people with problems with processing information (dyslexia and aphasia). Or with someone who sees the world with a completely different mindset (autism to an extent, Ausbergers, etc). They probably are MORE than capable of performing tasks that we do when given the chance. Sheltering them and saying "You can't do that" seems a little insulting... how do I know they can't if I don't let them make the attempt?

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: Robert Martin]
      #688335 - 10/12/11 10:16 PM

cybersurf

"I believe every person has a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort. Wouldn't you agree? "

No

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: cybersurf]
      #688372 - 10/13/11 04:13 AM

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I believe every person has a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort. Wouldn't you agree?



My mother would have a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort (think: pasta with lobster sauce).

That doesn't mean she could test software.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #688387 - 10/13/11 06:10 AM

Unique != Value

Although I am sure some conditions are able to gear people towards some professions more than others, it's a matter of matching skill sets not whether or not someone is autistic or whatever.

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Re: High-functioning autistic people to work as tester [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #688390 - 10/13/11 06:19 AM

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Quote:

I believe every person has a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort. Wouldn't you agree?



My mother would have a unique contribution to bring to any software testing effort (think: pasta with lobster sauce).

That doesn't mean she could test software.




If she's bringing pasta with lobster sauce to the party, she'll always be welcome, regardless of whether she can test software

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