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Elfriede Dustin
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The Automated Software Testing Paradox
      #439171 - 12/05/07 02:16 PM

The Automated Software Testing Paradox: Developing software to test software

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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: Elfriede Dustin]
      #520961 - 09/30/08 10:12 PM

Link is broken

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Joe Strazzere
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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: johndavidson]
      #521036 - 10/01/08 04:07 AM

I think this is the same article:

http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=31414

(found it with a Google search)

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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: Joe Strazzere]
      #521096 - 10/01/08 06:22 AM

What a pointless article!
It starts by stating that software being tested by software is a bit weird and therefore must be wrong, waffles on a bit and then concludes that actually, it's alright to test software with software!

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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: JonRLewis]
      #521112 - 10/01/08 06:47 AM

Jon,

To clarify: I make the point that using software to test software is a paradox - then the author of the article (Edward Correia) concludes that currently we don't have a better way. The question is: If we develop software to test software, who tests the test software, etc.

During conference presentations I get asked this question a lot: Who tests your automated tests?

It seems we should be able to come up with better ways to test software than having to develop more software that then needs testing. For example, self-testable components might be the answer - and even that requires additional software development. Automated test code generation might be another answer. Also the IBM Research on Autonomic Computing seems promising, see http://www.research.ibm.com/autonomic/
More research there has to be done.
More to come..

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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: Elfriede Dustin]
      #521122 - 10/01/08 07:28 AM

Is it a paradox when a doctor examines another doctor, or when a new set of exam questions are checked over? This is not a paradox - it is the raison d'etre for everyone on this board. Everything needs testing - including all the alternatives to automated testing that you put forward.

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Elfriede Dustin
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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: JonRLewis]
      #521277 - 10/01/08 04:00 PM

Quote:

Is it a paradox when a doctor examines another doctor, or when a new set of exam questions are checked over?
This is not a paradox - it is the raison d'etre for everyone on this board.
Everything needs testing - including all the alternatives to automated testing that you put forward.




Well, the question is not whether testing is needed, the question is are the testing methods adequate.

Hope that clarifies.

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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: Elfriede Dustin]
      #545250 - 01/23/09 12:04 AM

Good article there, one thing is no automated testing solution completely eliminates the need for manual testing.

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Elfriede Dustin
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Re: The Automated Software Testing Paradox [Re: Cynthia009]
      #548828 - 02/08/09 07:34 AM

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Good article there, one thing is no automated testing solution completely eliminates the need for manual testing.




One could argue that given enough time and resources all tests could be automated, however, it's often not recommended or even feasible to automate all tests. When considering automation, each test should be evaluated for its Automation Index, described in our upcoming book Implementing Automated Software Testing

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