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qa_tester
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Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178150 - 04/16/04 07:01 AM

does any one knows the different between Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178151 - 04/16/04 07:18 AM

Gorilla's hit the keyboard harder [Smile]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178152 - 04/16/04 07:23 AM

I know that "monkey testing" is derived from a classic example of what "infinite" means (a google search on "infinite monkeys typewriters" should find some hits). As derived here, it suggests that one way to find bugs is to have as many people as possible pound away on the application in a more-or-less random manner for as long as possible.

I have not seen "Gorilla testing" used in any formal literature, but I am guessing it is analagous to "stress testing"?


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178153 - 04/16/04 07:42 AM

About 3 years ago I was the tester on a project with a well-meaning but not-familiar-with-testing Project manager. All he knew was that at some point, he had heard the term "Gorilla Testing", so when I'd present him with my test approach, test plan, then scripts, etc, (stuff that was actually thought out and planned to root out possible bugs sort of efficiently), he would always ask when we were going to "gorilla test". I finally had to explain to him that I would appreciate it if he would stop equating my job with something a monkey could do.

It was hard enough for me to get testing into budgets and taken seriously, I didn't need the PM conveying an idea that testing was somehow "Cute" and "wacky".

But I wasn't bitter [Wink]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178154 - 04/16/04 08:54 AM

I never heard about "Gorilla" testing.
Could it be a "Guerilla Testing" instead?


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178155 - 04/16/04 10:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Yury:
I never heard about "Gorilla" testing.
Could it be a "Guerilla Testing" instead?

What is "guerilla testing", sneaking in past security after hours in order to do some testing? [Wink]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178156 - 04/16/04 10:42 AM

According to Bret Pettichord:

"Guerilla testing is a quick attempt to determine the level of risk of a subsystem"


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178157 - 04/16/04 11:13 AM

quote:
What is "guerilla testing", sneaking in past security after hours in order to do some testing?
either that, or it is when you contract out your testing needs to a paramilitary militia.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178158 - 04/16/04 11:23 AM

Just watch out for the developer's landmines.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178159 - 04/16/04 02:02 PM

The gorillas send the monkeys in first to test the waters. If the monkeys survive, then the gorillas go in???

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178160 - 04/17/04 05:02 AM

Gorilla testing is done by geeks - they are more hairy and since they are overworked they dont get time to brush their teeth - which causes their teeth to go yellow. All the hair and the yellow teeth make them look like gorillas - hence the term [Smile]

I have a new term too! - "Goo test" - testing code thats absolutely sh***y [Big Grin]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178161 - 04/17/04 02:17 PM

I believe the correct derivation of the term is Guerilla. The high road meaning is smart exploratory testing, by an experienced Tester. Also known as: go for the bugs, not the bureaucracy.
Monkey testing is pejorative referring to large sets of testers and or automated tests. It is a poke at the idea that coverage equals quality.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178162 - 04/19/04 11:34 AM

I've started using the term Bon Bon Testing. I tell the developers that by the time their project gets to me, I should be able to sit back and eat bon bons while I test. It's tongue in cheek, but some of them got the idea...

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178163 - 04/30/04 09:38 PM

Actually, "Gorilla testing" is a valid term.

Good, experienced tester pretends to know absolutely nothing about the app and starts to explore weak branches.

It is different from "monkey testing" when non-tester is trying to be a tester.

"Guerilla testeng" I believe is something people do when they are no longer with the company [Smile]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178164 - 04/30/04 09:40 PM

Actually, "Gorilla testing" is a valid term.

Good, experienced tester pretends to know absolutely nothing about the app and starts to explore weak branches.

It is different from "monkey testing" when non-tester (think "Product Manager") is trying to be a tester.

"Guerilla testing" I believe is something people do when they are no longer with the company [Smile]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178165 - 05/01/04 06:22 AM

Here are the definitions I've used when teaching classes (I would like to know, however, why we have so many simian terms in QC!):

Monkey testing - an unflattering term used to describe inexperienced people "banging" on a terminal. Often used to describe testing by staff who have trouble finding their butt with both hands.

Gorilla testing - used to describe repetitive, boring manual testing that a tester has already done a hundred times and could do in their sleep. As in "a trained gorilla could execute these tests". Often a sign that testing needs to be automated.

Guerilla testing - testing a system thrown over the wall with no documentation or prep work. Just like other guerillas, the most experienced testers have the best chance of survival....

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178166 - 05/05/04 09:52 AM

I think BenQ_A is close to the comparisons I've heard.

Gorilla Testing - you have a real short window of time to test and X number of resources (typically experienced QA). You hit the app hard, with everyone focused on core functionality and critical paths a "typical" user would take through the app. Unfortunately, this is still all too common today.

Monkey Testing - mundane testing that you have to do when your company is too cheap to buy you an automation tool to do it for you. It's a huge waste of senior tester's time, but usually no other resources are available.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178167 - 05/05/04 10:20 AM

I love the distinction between gorilla testing and guerilla testing. I'll have to tuck that one away for the appropriate management meeting. [Smile]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178168 - 05/05/04 11:35 AM

Hears one explanation I've heard of monkey testing.

It's has more to do with a type of test automation. The goal of monkey testing is to find things that will crash the application. The "Smart Monkey" will look for all the possible permeations of navigation and actions throughout the application. It’s not just a keyboard banger but “thinks” about what can be done with the application. For example, when it finds a text box it tries to put in 0 to n characters, special characters, numbers and other stuff. If it finds a button then it clicks it. If the AUT will open a file then it will try to load whatever it can find to see how the app handles it.

To do this effectively it would obviously need decent object recognition capabilities, lots of processing power, and LOTS of time.

There are various ones on the market but the only one I can think of right now is Rational Test Factory.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178169 - 10/14/05 06:07 AM

Hi,
Testing one particular module,functionality heavily that is Gorilla testing


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178170 - 10/14/05 07:08 AM

What is Monkey testing?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178171 - 10/14/05 07:27 AM

Checking the intelligence of the monkey, as in "did you test that monkey?"

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178172 - 10/14/05 07:33 AM

I thoght that testing an application not in a regular process but by (jumping)randomly testing the functionalities in the application.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178173 - 10/14/05 08:06 AM

Officially I believe it is: Testing a system or an Application on the fly, i.e just few tests here and there to ensure the system or an application does not crash out.
If anything can be called official in the testing world.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178174 - 10/14/05 05:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Rich W.:
Officially I believe it is: Testing a system or an Application on the fly, i.e just few tests here and there to ensure the system or an application does not crash out.
If anything can be called official in the testing world.

Rich - that is known as "fly testing". Hey, lets just flood the industry with new terms. Think of the benefits! Whaddya call a fly without wings anyway?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178175 - 10/14/05 07:41 PM

a walk.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178176 - 10/15/05 04:30 AM

Right on Darrel! This "online quiz" may yet prove fruitful. In that case, what kind of fly are we talking about; a term is given to "apples/oranges" comparison testing?

Summary: If testing is not done on the fly, then we are "walk" testing. The nature of this type testing is that we are obviously taking more time and perhaps doing this in an orderly manner.

At least for today - we have covered "Fly" and "Walk" testing. Next week we may cover another form of testing:

http://www.qaforums.com/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=46;t=001922

[ 10-15-2005, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: JakeBrake ]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178177 - 10/15/05 02:55 PM

Actually,

The way I have heard refer to monkey testing or gorilla testing is usually after the fact when an obvious bug is encountered or when it turns out that the device does not meet usability expectations. Here goes:

This stupid piece of software looks like nobody checked it out. Any monkey would have been able to find that problem. --> The inference here is that people concentrating on performing monkey testing are typically aping the motions of a more seasoned testing while aimlessly hammering on the keyboard. Sort of like a philosophical question about the viability of QC when it may be replaced by QA, even dumbfounding a monkey's uncle.

I bruise my wrist every time I have to insert the damn USB key in the computer. How did they test this device, using a gorilla? --> The inference here is that stupid brute force is used to test in a manner that is non-human, suggestive of the involvement of a big hairy ape on steroids. Like the notion of load testing using manual testers, akin to the slave galleons with rowers urged on by drummers I would guess, driving people to the point beyond utter exhaustion, but something that is plain old easy for a gorilla.

Now all we have to do is wait and see when there is some university somewhere graduating people in computer science who are left with the doubt to know what galleon testing is all about: good ole Buzzword University ya dun it agin.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178178 - 10/16/05 05:30 AM

I'm going to have to pass "galleon testing" on to one of my analysts, who was, in fact, forced to coordinate a manual load test. She didn't beat a drum, however. She whistled. As loud as an air horn.

Never let it be said that a quality analyst does not require a rich and interesting skill set.

And yes, we do have a good load testing tool. It works quite nicely with web apps, but we are still working through issues in regards to getting it to perform through our multi-tiered, multi-protocol, complex, highly customized primary application...

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178179 - 10/17/05 08:05 AM

galleon
n : a large square-rigged sailing ship with three or more masts; used by the Spanish for commerce and war from the 15th to 18th centuries


So to galleon test we mean to put sails on the software and see if it floats. Right?


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178180 - 10/17/05 08:49 AM

Are you sure you don't mean "see if it blows away in the wind"?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178181 - 10/17/05 09:01 AM

Wouldn't that be wind-tunnel testing?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178182 - 10/17/05 10:01 AM

"So, if she weighs the same as a duck, then ... a witch, a witch!!"

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178183 - 10/17/05 11:37 AM

Jake, you're in charge of wind tunnel testing as you have enough hot air to support the process!

Bob, is that Witch Testing or is it Duck Testing?


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178184 - 10/18/05 12:13 AM

Witch testing, silly. You use the duck to test the witch. The Duck is the tool, albeit not so automated. The Witch is the Application under test, load test to be exact.
"Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?" [Smile]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178185 - 10/18/05 12:17 AM

Witchduck is the name of a road in the Va Beach, Va area.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178186 - 10/18/05 12:22 AM

Does that cross Admiral Tausig Blvd.?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178187 - 10/18/05 12:32 AM

Spinning wildly out of control ... again!
Who's responsible!?!


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178188 - 10/18/05 06:08 AM

If we are in the midst of Galleon Testing and have to stop does that imply we have been hit by Pirates?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178189 - 10/18/05 06:16 AM

Summary of new test terms accumulated here thus far:

Gorilla
Monkey
Guerilla
Goo
Bon-Bon
Fly
Galleon
Blow-away
Wind tunnel
Witch
Duck
Spin


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178190 - 10/18/05 07:13 AM

Don't forget Concrete Testing, which is another type and Seat-of-the-pants Testing, which we all do sometimes.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178191 - 10/18/05 10:38 AM

Avast ye Tester, beware before ye enter the deep sea of code, lest you be thrust into ISO Locker.

arrrgggggg


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178192 - 10/18/05 11:57 AM

There is another type of testing we used to do in the navy called "float testing". If the equipment floats, it is bad.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178193 - 10/18/05 01:42 PM

Eerily similar to duck testing. who'da thunk? [Wink]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178194 - 10/18/05 02:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Darrel Damon:
There is another type of testing we used to do in the navy called "float testing". If the equipment floats, it is bad.

Darrel - yer talking subs right? I'm thankful that the flat-tops floated. [Smile]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178195 - 10/19/05 05:16 AM

Well, I wasn't referring to the whole ship (or, if you were in subs, the floating things were called "targets"). I was refering to discrete pieces of equipment.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178196 - 10/19/05 07:35 AM

Does that mean that my equipment should or shouldn't float??

Haven't tested it recently.

I remember the in the Navy that the equipment disposition cards had a block titled, "Lost at Sea", and it got used a lot.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178197 - 10/19/05 09:23 AM

If it floats, it's bad.

If it sinks in 2000 fathoms of water, it was good.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178198 - 10/20/05 03:53 PM

Lynne just created "paddle" testing. So....

Summary of new test terms accumulated here thus far:

Blow-away
Bon-Bon
Duck
Fly
Galleon
Goo
Gorilla
Guerilla
Monkey
paddle
Spin
Wind tunnel
Witch


Anyone know how to get this into a CSTP or CSTE exam?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178199 - 10/21/05 09:15 AM

Let's ask the newbies. They seem to know everything about certifications. [Big Grin]

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178200 - 10/21/05 10:07 AM

A phrase I heard years ago just re-surfaced.

"Don't let knowledge stand in the way of certification."

Is it just me, or does the emphasis seem to be on certification these days, and the de-emphasis on the knowledge that the certification is supposed to represent?


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178201 - 10/21/05 11:26 AM

Darrel, good one! I like it!

For the poster with the undocumented application which needs a coverage figure, I would recommend Discovery Testing Different from exploratory testing as the real testing does not begin until discovery is completed in that discovery testing is just determining what functionalities exist and should be tested.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178202 - 10/21/05 01:43 PM

Being the season of Hurricanes why not introduce Hurricane Testing and blow away all the code?

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      #178203 - 10/21/05 03:50 PM

Suresh,

Your post surprises me. Don't you do that already when you test a new application? I remember that sort of action when looking over a new product listing and I realized the code would be a total monster to maintain. Cut your losses is the nice way to describe it, but Hurricane Testing sounds so much more professional.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178204 - 10/21/05 04:57 PM

For the Pacific we then need Typhoon testing.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178205 - 10/21/05 07:14 PM

Why not Tornado testing - blow straight through the code and decimate a path leaving everything around it in place.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178206 - 10/24/05 10:08 AM

In New England we can do Blizzard Testing, totally White Box but you can't tell where to start from.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178207 - 10/25/05 12:38 AM

Lynne, yours sounds like a variation of Surgical Strike Testing, which the Government denies that it used the terminology!

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178208 - 10/24/05 01:12 PM

And you believe that?

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178209 - 10/25/05 05:55 AM

X-Testing, when the bug is out there....

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178210 - 10/25/05 06:24 AM

Soot Testing...

A form of testing used in Hawaii when the sugar cane fields are burned.


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178211 - 10/25/05 06:32 AM

Pilot Testing can also be called Flag Pole Testing, as in, let's run it up the old flag pole and see if anyone salutes it.

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178212 - 10/25/05 07:30 AM

Rich, the last time I saw you climb the flagpole, I meant to ask you about the trail of soot in your wake???

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178213 - 10/25/05 08:06 AM

Baked Beans Testing - keep quiet and hope there's not a big stink later

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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178214 - 03/05/06 08:16 AM

Summary of new test terms and box-categories, accumulated here thus far:

Baked Beans (Brown box - see Seat-o'-the-pants)
Blizzard (White box)
Blow-away (Fast box)
Bon-bon (Dark wrapper)
Brush Testing (ref: http://www.qaforums.com/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000594 )
Concrete (Gray box)
Darwin Candidacy Testing ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060208/en_celeb_eo/18314 )
Discovery (Pallet of boxes)
Duck (Defensive box)
Flagpole (Blue sky box)
Float (Buoyant box)
Fly (Blue sky box)
Galleon (Buoyant box)
Goo (Brown box - see Bon-bon)
Gorilla (Brute box)
Guerilla (Brute box)
Hurricane (Gray box)
Monkey (Swing box)
Paddle (Buoyant box)
NEW Purple Polka Dot Testing (haze box testing)
Seat-o'-the-pants (Brown box - see Baked Beans)
Soot (Black box)
Spin (Defensive box)
Surgical Strike (Sanitary box)
Tornado (Gray box)
Typhoon (Gray box)
Wind tunnel (Sheer box)
Witch (Black box)
X-Testing (Black box)


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing
      #178215 - 03/06/06 08:39 AM

Out of all the terms, I still like Bon Bon Testing. Because when you're finally(the developer should have been doing their Unit Testing) testing the application it should be for those bugs that "sneaked" into the code. An extra pair of eyes is always nice. Because everyone can't do everthing correct all the time. But some sure could try more.


Some developers get that early in the game, but others don't until the project gets cancelled due to lack of funds. [Wink] And I've worked with some people I am glad they didn't test. Because they reminded me of the Gorilla commerical for Samsonite! [Big Grin] They beat the poor keyboard until I was sure it would break. It didn't, but it should have.

But why is it that PM can be in control of testing but has probably never spent a day or even an afternoon testing? Because both Gorilla and Monkey Testing sounds like someone trying to cut down testers. And if it wasn't for us, they maybe wouldn't have a job! [Big Grin]


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Re: Gorilla Testing & Monkey testing [Re: kber0139]
      #325297 - 08/21/06 04:34 AM

Summary of new test terms and box-categories, accumulated here thus far:

Baked Beans (Brown box - see Seat-o'-the-pants)
Blizzard (White box)
Blow-away (Fast box)
Bon-bon (Dark wrapper)
Brown See baked beans
Brush Testing (ref: http://www.qaforums.com/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000594 )
Concrete (Gray box)
Darwin Candidacy Testing ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060208/en_celeb_eo/18314 )
Discovery (Pallet of boxes)
Duck (Defensive box)
Flagpole (Blue sky box)
Float (Buoyant box)
Fly (Blue sky box)
Galleon (Buoyant box)
Goo (Brown box - see Bon-bon)
Gorilla (Brute box)
Guerilla (Brute box)
Hurricane (Gray box)
Monkey (Swing box)
Paddle (Buoyant box)
Purple Polka Dot Testing (haze box testing)
Seat-o'-the-pants (Brown box - see Baked Beans)
Soot (Black box)
Spin (Defensive box)
Surgical Strike (Sanitary box)
Tornado (Gray box)
Typhoon (Gray box)
Wind tunnel (Sheer box)
Witch (Black box)
X-Testing (Black box)
Yellow Aroma indicates the need for further testing.


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