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Chid
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #647090 - 10/28/10 10:37 AM

HatTip@ Barry Perez.

Three more patches to be installed on top of LR11 to get Ajax TruClient

http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Critical Update
Document ID: KM999242
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LR_03014: OTHER Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol

http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Vugen SA Critical Update
Document ID: KM999238
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LRVUG_00002: OTHER
Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol


http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Load Generator Critical Update
Document ID: KM999240
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LRLG_00002:Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol

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Chid
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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: Chid]
      #647185 - 10/29/10 08:02 AM

Sort of stumbled into this blogpost by accident

http://www.scivisum.co.uk/blog/web-load-testing-with-loadrunner-running-out-of-road/

the author quotes their interaction with a client who gave up LoadRunner in favour of <name your custom built favorite load testing tool> and goes on to state why the client's load test team failed with LR and why they shifted to their services.

Reading through the article - the novice factor of the performance testing team using loadrunner shines through. if any the author should have highlighted that the perf test team falls short of its claimed expertise and its nothing to do with the tool.

some examples from the post which got me riled up

"Something in the new code meant that that approach didnt work on the old LoadRunner scripts: it was going to take some time to update the scripts: and after losing 4 hours trying to achieve that and failing, the testers fell back to an old script that did work on the new code base but that one did not do the random elements."

The team couldnt figure out what this "Something" was that broke the scripts. Who hired this team?

"why the client wanted to give us the load testing work was so that the bulk of their own web testers would no longer need to know about LoadRunning scripts. They wanted their team to focus their time on other aspects of the in-house testing, where knowledge of the business logic is really vital."

you dont need 'a bulk of thier web testers' to know the loadrunner code.. you need just ONE.


"maintaining a library of pre-built scripts is a considerable effort, and trying to do a quick system-wide load test of complex multiple page dynamic users journeys with lots of random choices (e.g. choose a pair of shoes from the 10 listed that matched your search) becomes difficult "


difficult??? what are they hiring? monkeys? this is the basic foundation on how to build realistic scripts..

Clients should stop blaming the product for their poor management and hiring practices.. Okay I am really riled up

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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: JimHowell1970]
      #647488 - 11/02/10 06:05 AM

Anyone got a quick opinion on upgrade from LR 9.52 to 11.0? Anything to be concerned about?

My main controller just had hardware failure that necessitates new hardware build, and I am thinking I may as well upgrade while I am at it. Just don't want to head down the path and realize I made a mistake.

I am planning to load Windows 2003 on the new server so I have option to roll back to 9.52, but I guess I am looking for some general feel if 11.0 is stable.

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Softice13
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #647851 - 11/04/10 12:25 PM

I'm just wondering if anybody was able to get TruClient operational through loadgenerator?
I can get it running in firefox but not in vugen without firefox or loadgenerator.

RoadRunner joke was really funny. But the way I did told one recruiter to bug off when he offered me a job for 25 bucks an hour for a senior performance position and blaming economy conditions. Lucky for me I knew the company that they were looking to hire qa so I called my friend who works as hiring manager in there and he told me that agency was asking 250 per hour
What kind of BS is that? Agency gets 250 and you get 25. Screw them :


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Chid
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Softice13]
      #647863 - 11/04/10 03:33 PM

Softice,

Just checking, have you applied this patch on your loadgenerator?


http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Load Generator Critical Update
Document ID: KM999240
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LRLG_00002:Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol

reg rates - I think 250/Hr is unrealistic for them to demand. no one agency is idiotic enough to price themselves out of the market IMO..

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Softice13
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #647866 - 11/04/10 03:59 PM

I did applied it. I also found out that scripts created during initial install don't work after patch was applied.
I know about the rate but company thought that they were hiring some real pro for that position where agency was just BSing their way around. Also in bay area agencies charging that much is not new and very common especially when it comes to pharm companies.


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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Softice13]
      #647940 - 11/05/10 12:53 PM

That is the rate HP was going to charge a company in Oklahoma City 2 years ago. I charged them 50 (cut them a break because I knew what they needed and it wasn't that difficult) and they were very happy.

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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: wildcat1975]
      #648203 - 11/09/10 09:13 AM

From the LR email list

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Just wanted to let you know we've published a tips and tricks document to help you make the most of the new Ajax TruClient protocol available in LoadRunner v11.

Ajax TruClient is a new advanced protocol for modern JavaScript-based applications, including Ajax.
The protocol emulates user activity within a Web browser. Scripts are developed interactively in Mozilla Firefox.

The tips and tricks document is available at:

http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve..._TipsTricks.pdf

Please send your feedback directly to me or to lt_cust_feedback@hp.com

Yair Horovitz
Functional Architect, Load Testing and ALM
HP Software


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dtran71
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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: Scimitar]
      #648969 - 11/16/10 10:46 AM

Quote:

LOL, If you don't pay attention, auto-correct will always trip you up.

Scimitar




We are such LR nerds!


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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: JimHowell1970]
      #650899 - 12/02/10 05:17 AM

I have tried and failed so far to download LR11, due to client site constraints. However, I though I saw a 2-part zip of of 1.5GB each.

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kjackey
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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: pridge]
      #651399 - 12/06/10 01:17 PM

Just to make sure I am reading things correctly - the "new and improved (and totally awesome!)" functionality is FireFox only?

I can name 5-6 "IE Only" shops off the top of my head that will never run FireFox (barring some major shakeup in the browser world), is HP really cutting off a good chunk of their user base from the newer technologies?

What am I missing here?

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Chid
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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: kjackey]
      #651408 - 12/06/10 03:01 PM

apparently Micro$oft refused permission to develop the feature for IE - so they went with firefox.

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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: Chid]
      #652777 - 12/15/10 10:24 PM

For scalability HP needs the ability to run the browser in a 'headless' state. IE does not support that mode... FireFox does.

Although the scalability in FireFox appears to be quite low according to the available info/docs.. it is at least a solution for some apps.


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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #652778 - 12/15/10 10:26 PM

Quote:

HatTip@ Barry Perez.

Three more patches to be installed on top of LR11 to get Ajax TruClient

http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Critical Update
Document ID: KM999242
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LR_03014: OTHER Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol

http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Vugen SA Critical Update
Document ID: KM999238
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LRVUG_00002: OTHER
Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol


http://support.openview.hp.com/downloadA...odRelease=11.00
Title: Load Generator Critical Update
Document ID: KM999240
Updated: 2010-Sep-21
LRLG_00002:Additional critical functionality for TruClient Protocol




Not sure about these 3 patches. After installing the first one with no issue the other 2 fail saying it is not the right version... maybe only for Performance Center..?


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kjackey
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: swales]
      #652878 - 12/16/10 10:05 AM

Agree, had that experience also, it appears that for non-performacne center users only 1 patch may be needed.

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Chid
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: kjackey]
      #653233 - 12/20/10 01:12 PM

whats the deal with tdforums.tdadmins.com ?

I do remember registering there not once but twice - both with work id - but never got approved nor any emails..

(Just Curious - not really keen on joining a board that makes joining such a painful process).


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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #653515 - 12/22/10 06:08 AM

Okay Critical LR11 patches released
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http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03017
Patch 1 Critical Update
LR_03017: OTHER
ALM side-by-side feature and Protocols Updates- Ajax
TruClient ,Web (HTTP/HTML) protocol - Data Format Extension
,Citrix updates, RDP updates, Flex updates.

http://h20230.www2.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LRVUG_00003
LRVUG_00003: OTHER


http://h20230.www2.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LRLG_00003
Load Generator Patch1 Critical Update


http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03040
LR_03040: OTHER
Citrix client 10.0 and later support and Citrix driver
support for Windows 2008.

http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03039
LR_03039: OTHER
Citrix client 10.0 and later support and Citrix driver
support for Windows 2008.


http://h20230.www2.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LRANLSYS_00002
LRANLSYS_00002: OTHER


Unix OS related Patches
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03036 (Linux)
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03038 (solaris)
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve/document/FID/DOCUMENTUM_LR_03037 (HP-UX)


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kjackey
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Re: New Functions in LR 11 [Re: Chid]
      #653556 - 12/22/10 11:27 AM

I plan to submit a ticket with HP to cover the complete installation order for a fresh Loadrunner installation that includes the new patches.

Before I do so, has anyone already asked HP this question?

EDIT: Here is the correct patch installation order from HP:

About your question, please follow the below order:
First you have to install (on both the Vugen and the Controller machines):
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve...llowReturn=true

Then:
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve...llowReturn=true

Also, the following patches have to be installed in the Load Generator machine(s):
First:
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve...llowReturn=true

Then:
http://support.openview.hp.com/selfsolve...llowReturn=true

Before install the patch I suggest you make a backup. Let me know if this help.


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Edited by kjackey (12/22/10 01:03 PM)


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rockyrishab
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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: JimHowell1970]
      #653748 - 12/23/10 11:17 PM

I am a trainee on Load runner and i see a sudden rise in my % disk time and %processor times for around a min in a 40 min test. could anyone tell me what the reasons for this could be.

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Re: LoadRunner Chit Chat Thread [Re: rockyrishab]
      #655632 - 01/11/11 09:47 AM

It's a bottleneck. That's what you're here to find!

Now you take the next step...make a hypothesis about what kind of system behaviors would cause a resource over-utilization on 2 correlated resources?

Could it be a processor spikes because cache flushes...then to rebuild the cache, it stores temporary files to disk? why does it all happen at the same time?

OR - you have a second set of vusers that start 40 minutes into the test, they are automating a different business process which takes up more memory. That causes swapping for that set of memory (thus a disk spike and additional CPU to do the swap)?

Now you take the next step - investigate!

Good Luck!


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