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    I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    Terrorism has very rarely been seen in our country, but its getting closer to our shores:
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...222719974.html

    I guess we are a target now.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    Bruce Haigh (former Austrailian diplomat) says:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>He said Australia had been too vocal in its support of US threats to attack Iraq if it did not eradicate weapons of mass destruction.

    "Our prime minister should adopt a much lower profile; he's been beating a big drum on this issue," Mr Haigh said.

    He said the government should look at Canada and other countries.

    "They're not making the sort of noises this government's been making," he said.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Does anyone else see the inherent problem of this? Haigh is talking about allowing the terrorists to scare Austrailia into submission. This is just plain wrong.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Bruce Haigh:
    It didn't surprise me when September 11 occurred and what we see now is these sort of attacks coming closer to home<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I wonder why it did not surpirse him.

    Follow up:
    Abu Bakar Bashir, the leader of Jemaah Islamiyah, a radical islamic group that other governments insist is linked to the al-Qaeda terror network, who also lives quite publicly in Indonesia, is considered as the key person behind the attack. In response to the allegation Abu Bakar Bashir said; quote "I suspect that the bombing was engineered by the United States and its allies to justify allegations that Indonesia is a base for terrorists,".

    Am I allowed to ... forget it.
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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    I tend to agree, Australia should be able to make whatever stand against terrorism. Not sure whats motivated this latest cowardly attack, If it is becuase the Muslim world views Australians as they view Americans than god help the rest of the world. Everyone will have to check their views before expressing them so the Muslim world does not get offended.

    I personally feel sad for the majority of Indonesians who are peace loving people and great friends of Australia.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    It does look like anyone that supports the USA in the war against terrorisim is liable to be a target. I was living in Ireland for Sept 11th and I remember a guy I worked with waiting beside the phone to hear if two of his relatives had survived. One survived. The fear in the office was horrible everyone wondering whether we were going to be next. Now living in Australia after the Bali incident the fear here is a lot worse. I can't explain why that is.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    Bali has traditionally been the "exception to the rule".

    Here in the US, if the government puts a location on the "unsafe" list, insurance companies do not have to pay out losses (travel insurance, etc.). Any time Indonesia has been on the "unsafe" list, Bali has been the exception. Bali has always been considered a location that would not be subject to terrorist activites.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    All civilized people of the world should unite to combat this killing of innocent people. This killing and all such acts of violence should be stopped. How anyone can defend such acts is beyond my understanding. Acts such as the one in Bali and the use of young people to act as human bombs can not be defended. But unless all countries unite in stopping the acts, they will continue.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    Killing of children...
    Housing military in hospitals, schools, and religious areas....

    Acts of cowards, yes.

    Ohiotester says:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>But unless all countries unite in stopping the acts, they will continue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You're right. We need to take action. Drastic action. Sorry if that sounds a bit hawkish, but when kids in their early 20's are dancing...and then get blown up, it bothers me.

    A lot.

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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    Playing devils' advocate for a moment:

    There has never been no killing. (This I emphasize is NOT to justify it or make it sound right). I have as much pain about this as anyone.

    Also, not saying two or more wrongs make a right - but isn't the US in one of the most murderous countries on the planet? Does our backyard need cleaning away terrorism - I think homocide/murder qualifies as terrorism?
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/hmrt.htm

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    Is there a chance oil lies at the root cause of all this?

    I guess what I'm suggesting is that I don't believe humans are capable of "drastic action" in the sense that that such action is never an end to the means.
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    Re: I guess Australia\'s officially in the Terrorism War

    A bit more clarification or digging my hole deeper depending on your vantage point...

    I think we need to be outraged about murder anywhere and anytime. I think we need to be outraged enough to do something about it and make it stick. Regarding "making it stick", IMHO, murdering those who murder does not stop murder. It never has and I don't believe it ever will.
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