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User Jaimini Bhatt (firstname.lastname@example.org) posted:
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I have been with group for quite some time, though a bit silent most of it. This is what I find bothersome, apart from the so called topics like piracy or job interviews.
1. The email containing our topics of discussion contains all the messages with a long headers before and after them. Our moderator is doing a great job in atleast getting us all the related topics, is there any way we could have all related original messages and replies to it, together without the message headers & Long footers?
2. The problem of people who would like to have WinRunner experience or training persists. If your current employer is not paying, then for most people working in the industry outside US can not afford to pay even a few hundred dollars on training. Hence the problem of request for pirated copies etc. arise. Is there anyway, we could ask Mercury to have an evaluation copy of its products more easily available. If more people are educated on tool, then when they are on job, they are more likely to recommend WinRunner for buying when on job. What does everyone say? Also, if someone would share whether there are any training materials available to be downloaded from the web?
3. Re: No job, no experience. No Experience - No Job. Catch-22 remains. The fault is in the system which fails to recognise that if you have a long experience in the industry, you are going to catch up tools like WinRunner in 2-10 days. Of course you don't become expert in that much time, but then those who are interviewing actually do not know what is coming to them. I have heard of a few consulting companies who give a grand level exposure training to all their consultants on all the tool i.e. WR, LR, Rational, Silk...(20 days - 5 tools) and then get them to prepare 5 yrs resume in each of them. As the requirements come, they supply. Then when on the project, the consultants have to pick it up working extra hard. Some successes, some failure... but then the cheats win. The idea is, if we are the ones in Hiring position, the best way to approach is to find the inherent quality of the consultant and then see whether he has the basics of s/w engineering or not. He/she sure would pick it up.
"Quality is a defect that is yet to be exposed."
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Leaving the first two subjects alone as we have no control over that (I always find it amazing how peope expect something for nothing but I guess that's because I have my own software...) but the last subject I still find interesting enough to respond to... "Then when on the project, the consultants have to pick it up working extra hard. Some successes, some failure... but then the cheats win. The idea is, if we are the ones in Hiring position, the best way to approach is to find the inherent quality of the consultant and then see whether he has the basics of s/w engineering or not. He/she sure would pick it up." I think we're conveniently missing the point - you know, there are classes that you can take to expose you to WinRunner - you have to go through a Mercury Partner to get them but they are out there...problem is nobody wants to pay for them (before you ask - yes I paid for my own as I saw it as an investment in myself.) and everyone thinks the hiring company should pay for it. If they wanted people who were going to learn it on the job then their req wouldn't ask for someone who was experienced in it...we always seem to want to put the responsibility and cost off on someone else (the company) instead of taking it ourselves. Turn it around and think about how the department manager feels everytime he asks for competent people so his project can get going and work can get done - trying to hire people who know what they're doing only to find that the people he was told knew hat they were doing actually don't and are going to learn on his time, his dime and make his project slow down. As far as the quality issue - that's another story in itself. Sure you can learn as you go - no one ever said WinRunner was rocket science - but you make more mistakes in terms of approach and planning that cost the company. Hey what do you care - you're the short time contractor and you just picked up another thing you can put on your resume..wippee great for you...but what the company you just left? If you don't care, you're not a professional and shouldn't be doing this kind of stuff. You ruin it for those of us who do know what we're doing, who have put in the time and energy and paid our dues by making every HR person leery of the guy who says "Yes I know how to do that." Integrity is the point. If you don't have it, who cares what you do and don't know! Believe it or not there are opportunities out there for inexperienced people to learn WinRunner - the problem is that people don't want to take the pay cut, admit they don't know what they're doing to start with, and learn along the way at a lower pay scale. I've run into many so called experts, several whom had advanced CS degrees who couldn't figure out WinRunner from their butts so you can't generalize about software experience. A software coding test is what I recommend to all HR people interested in hiring someone for this type of position along with a section that tests the applicants overall knowledge of the manual as well as automated testing process before any hiring decision is made. Weed out the pretenders as that "some succeed and some fail" statement above realistically should be "The majority fail while the outstanding succeed." I say that last part because I've also run into many people who can produce scripts like nobody's business, with intricate complicated coding, that in the end is a bunch of cr-- as they didn't have a clue as to what it meant to TEST with an automated tool.