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    Do I really want to do this?

    I have a friend who keeps trying to push me into QA work,(so that I can be working!). Things are slow right now.

    My background is development. I know VB, (some .NET), Sql Server, some Access, Installshield script, etc. Prior to that I used the Legacy Vax Cobol, Basic, RDB, etc.

    I like development, being what I call creative, either creating new code, patching it, wrapping it up for installations, etc. I admit that while I have worked with QA people, (mostly testing my InstallShield packages), I do not really know what goes on in QA as far as testing products, but my impression is that it is not creative. It is only testing what someone else created...boring.

    My friend, (who is not in QA), tells me that with the software testing tools of today, that there is actual coding, (creativity). I am not so sure about that.

    If there is creativity in QA, in what particular branches of QA does it happen, (I see that there are multiple forums dealing with different branches\aspects of QA). If it is in Automated tools, what then are the tools to learn? Being that everyone is heading for the WEB, is that where I should be looking, and are there specific tools for that?

    Is it worth the bother? Being that there are so many people chasing so few jobs, and, nobody is hiring anyone without the experience...what is the point. I recently finished packaging some on line multiple player games. I could have gotten a job QA testing games for $10.00 an hour, but could not afford to live on that, and it would have been so boring. What can a novice, and\or an experience QA person make?

    Thanks in advance for any advice and\or direction that you can give me.

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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Well, if you take the time to browse around this forum and read some of the animated disagreements and opposing views it should become apparent that QA is anything but boring. Whether that means you will find a niche in QA or not is something else. Only you can gauge the true level of interest you have, and you seem rather depressed about any job of any kind if I may say so. Why bother chasing down a job you don't believe in. If you cannot see how you can package your VB, (some .NET), Sql Server, Access, Installshield script, etc., and Legacy Vax Cobol, Basic, RDB, etc., into a decent resume for a programmer or tester, then who can? Yes, it is boring, I cannot remember the last time we had a riot and we haven't had a chorus line to entertain us while we put the finishing touches on a release in years. Man, you're tough to please. Have you ever considered that coding is creating exactly what the client asked for, as opposed to testing that is looking for everything that could possibly be wrong. Talk about being creative, but you have to be able to start off by being creative enough to repackage your assets so that you get in the door in the first place. Now, that couldn't be your problem, could it?
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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    In my opinion I would forget the idea of going into QA it seems to be the only reason you want to go into QA is because it is a soft option in the present market climate and most probably go back to development when the market improves and we want professional people in QA who like testing not because they cannot get a development Job. Sory about this

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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Actually, if I were you, I'd stick to development. If you retool into another related field, you'll be starting at square one and it doesn't sound to me like you're really interested in testing. It might make sense to hook up with some decent resume/professional placement firms - your problem might be as simple as placing focus in your resume on work specifically in demand in your area. A firm that works with job reqs all day long is going to know what's hot and what's not and will be able to advise you accordingly.

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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Louwho,
    Have you thought of selling pencils from a tin cup on the corner. That can be exciting too, jobs are all that you make them to be. The exciting challenging world of QA is like any other job. But it has it's good spots too. You are placed into an environment where there are many levels of expertise, as well as those academic know-it-all self proclaimed Gurus. But every group has them. If you were to try QA, I'm pretty sure you want go beck to development though.
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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Originally posted by louwho:
    Is it worth the bother? Being that there are so many people chasing so few jobs, and, nobody is hiring anyone without the experience...what is the point.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Based on the tone of your post, it's probably not worth the bother.

    If development jobs are scarce in your part of the world, I suspect the same is almost certainly true of QA jobs.

    Put your efforts into enhancing your development skills. QA is no place for someone who doesn't love it.
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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Come on, guys, why be so negative. It should be his decision, but there are many benefits from a number of well-trained developers who understand what testing is about. It is not a lost cause at all, and testing certainly gives you opportunity to explore what direction to go. Testers are very much a part of the IT community, generalists that have the ability to step back to take in a larger picture as compared to specialist programmers who may get buried into detail without ever seeing a larger context. Some people love testing. I do, and yet my main focus is project management, but I also love business analysis and programming (in particular testing tools). Understanding the role each partner plays in the project makes it easier to manage projects. I am sure each of you could say similar things (such as testers that are able to write quick scripts or utilities to get a job done better would be such an example). Life is an incessant learning opportunity, death is the end of learning. Think about it.
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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Yes, Frits, you are right, it is his decision. Just as it would be my decision, faced with an interviewee who wasn't a tester, who wanted to get into it because s/he can't get a job in development and thinks testing is boring, to say "Next".

    If you are not cut out for testing then it really isn't worth the effort to try to force yourself into it. A person unhappy in their job is no use to themselves or to the the company employing them.

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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    While I agree the tone of the OP's comments were anything but positive, I can't help but think it comes from a very self-centred and ultimately ignorant viewpoint.

    Personally I think all developers could become much better at what they do if they work in some sort of testing environment for a number of months. Having an understanding of how testers intend to break your pride and joy would certainly help you tidy up some of your work. Would it put testers out of a job? No, we'd just become more creative.

    Try making creative tests to break some smug developer's code and see how happy it makes you. In fact, give me some of your code, I'd soon show you how to be creative!

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    Re: Do I really want to do this?

    Much more of testing work is done before the actual testing of the software begins. It is in the review of the requirements and asking the right questions to clarify the understanding of what really needs to be done.

    It is in the set up of the test cases and mapping them back to the requirements to make sure nothing is missed.

    It is the set up of scripts, manual and auto depending on the stability of the environment.

    I know I would love to see more unit testing from developers. There are times you just know that they did not even look at it.

 

 
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