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    Working with mavericks

    Do you consider yourself to be one? (yes)

    How do you handle working with them, or how do people handle working with you.

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    'Maverick' in what sense?

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    Maverick as in "loose canon," "diva," or HR problematic? Or are you considering the definition of maverick in the sense of providing an unconventional approach, point of view, or being on the rough-hewn edge of tool usability?

    I guess the question boils down to unprofessional versus unconventional? I might fall into the latter camp given some of the environments I work in and how I have approached some problems (particularly in the load/stress arena). I might even fall into a third definition for maverick as a "professional gun for hire" to complete a difficult job.

    If the maverick is professional in approach then there shouldn't be much difficulty in working with them. If the approach to the problem is unconventional then there usually is a challenge in education as well as politics to ensure that all are educated as to how the requirements are met with an unconventional approach and that previous approaches to the problem are respectfully recognized.


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    Re: Working with mavericks

    It would depend on your perspective!

    I guess QA / QC people could be seen as a maverick from the perspective of a developer. Although our goals are the same (a quality, client satisfing product), our methods are completely different.

    If ensuring that an efficient, effective and successful process exists would be cause to call me a maverick, name-call away!

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jpulley3:
    Maverick as in "loose canon," "diva," or HR problematic? Or are you considering the definition of maverick in the sense of providing an unconventional approach, point of view, or being on the rough-hewn edge of tool usability?

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    I would consider the former to be a cowboy and the latter to be a maverick.

    However many would not make that sort of distinction and lumber them in the same category.

    I am particularly interested in how people perceive and view working with especially managing mavericks and whether they take care to distinguish them from cowboys.

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    Too many people like to think of themselves as mavericks, when in fact they are just toublemakers - present company excepted.

    Sometimes mavericks are worth the trouble - in which case I work with them and try to give them the space and support they need.

    Sometimes they are not worth the trouble - in which case I get rid of them.

    There are all "types" that a QA Manager must manage. Mavericks are just one of the "types".

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    Joe,
    As usual, you've put that excellantly. (are we EVER going to disagree )

    If I understand the meaning of maverick for this conversation, I would think the the coder who never takes notes, gets a little glassy eyed in meetings then spends 15 hours straight at his keyboard whilst drinking diet coke and eating cold pizza and chocolate bars which get his old sweatshirt all icky, falling asleep at his desk for 3 hours then turning in THE most beautiful application you could dream of, is a maverik.

    There's no doc, his code isn't commented, standard? what's that. But he's the original "Extreme Programming" guru and we all need him OR HER. to help us get it done in a pinch.

    When I run into those people, I do everything I can to help put layers of protection around them even if it means hanging around asking questions and being the scribe for his code doc, and specifications checking. I have been told that I'm wrong in doing this, others have thought it was a good idea. I think there are so few of those types of coders (scripters too) left in the world of the SANE, that we're lucky to be on a team with one.

    These people are of the ilk who not only wrote IN assembler, they WROTE assembler.

    So, how wrong am I?

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    Re: Working with mavericks

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeanj:

    If I understand the meaning of maverick for this conversation, I would think the the coder who never takes notes, gets a little glassy eyed in meetings then spends 15 hours straight at his keyboard whilst drinking diet coke and eating cold pizza and chocolate bars which get his old sweatshirt all icky, falling asleep at his desk for 3 hours then turning in THE most beautiful application you could dream of, is a maverik.

    There's no doc, his code isn't commented, standard? what's that.
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    He's not a maverick. He's a cowboy.


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    Re: Working with mavericks

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jpulley3:

    I might fall into the latter camp given some of the environments I work in and how I have approached some problems (particularly in the load/stress arena).

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    I think an element of maverickness is inherent in successful load testing.



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    Re: Working with mavericks

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeanj:
    Joe,
    As usual, you've put that excellantly. (are we EVER going to disagree )
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    I disagree. I thought my post was only adequate.

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