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    SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    Hi!

    We are in the process of evaluating these softwares for version control. 2 questions:

    1. Does anyone know where there may be an unbiased and relatively current survey/comparison re: these tools on the web (didn't see anything on this site)?

    2. Anybody have any working opinions re: these softwares - good or bad? We want to use it for our VB, Interdev, Java, SQL Server, Access, and Crystal Reports environment.

    Thanks everyone in advance for your feedback!
    Janet

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    Re: SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    We also are looking for this information. Ovum have a report that apparently includes some of this.

    Are you still on the case?

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    Re: SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>
    Hi Janet, Im working with SS 3 years a go,

    With SS 5.0 we had some problems, and then we started to evaluate PVCS, meanwhile Microsoft released SS v.6.0 and then we started to evaluate too. We contacted with PVCS people and they calculated the migration's cost. Very expensive and very long project to migration. I couldn't find anyone reason to migrate to PVCS.

    We are working now with SS 6.0, this is much better than 5.0, is more cheap than PVCS, is very easy to use, we had forget the problems with SS, and if you work with Microsoft Developers Enviroments you can develop your own custom SourceSafe with the public SourceSafe API.


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    Originally posted by jwilson:
    Hi!

    We are in the process of evaluating these softwares for version control. 2 questions:

    1. Does anyone know where there may be an unbiased and relatively current survey/comparison re: these tools on the web (didn't see anything on this site)?

    2. Anybody have any working opinions re: these softwares - good or bad? We want to use it for our VB, Interdev, Java, SQL Server, Access, and Crystal Reports environment.

    Thanks everyone in advance for your feedback!
    Janet

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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    Re: SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    Hi Janet- I've worked extensively with VSS, older PVCS, and had little exposure to ClearCase. In addtion, I've also migrated large software projects between all three systems.

    Here's some items that may aid in making the best decision for your team(s). Many of these items can turn into religious wars for those that are impacted (but, that's just another growing pain when changing or implementing more structure in a company). Here they are:
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    <LI> Development/QA procedures. Nothing new here, of 'course they will need to be revisited and updated.
    <LI> Build procedures. Again, nothing new about this item. Although, for automation of builds and/or project deployment scripts or application will need to be written.
    <LI> Procedures for off-site employee's or contractors.
    <LI> Work habits. This is impacted by the features of the VCS and the newly implemented procedures.
    <LI> Future technologies that you plan to support. You do not want to waste your investment in one VCS simply to start over with another.
    <LI> Environment integration. Supported platforms, web development tools, application development tools, multi-team projects, and all the above combined.
    <LI> The project's PHSYICAL architecture. As important as choosing the right VCS to support your technology, it's just as important to implement a PHYSICAL architecture of a project to exploit the VCS automation features. Adjusting the physical framework of any project can be a dawnting task, but very necessary in order to take adjvantage of your new VCS. (By physical architecture, I mean how you segment the local vs. global vs. shared files of a project, how they are checked into and out of the VCS, as well as who has access to what portions of the project.[/list]

    For the last 6 years we've decided to go with Microsoft's VSS, because it fits our needs best. Sure it has it's own bugs and flaws, but every VCS will have issues. There is no perfect system. The trick is to identify the deficiencies and find acceptable workarounds.

    Good luck!

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    Re: SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    Janet -- I can't offer much in reference to PVCS or VSS, but have spent a great deal of time working with ClearCase. ClearCase is, IMHO a rather full-featured version control product, which provides pretty good support for our development process.

    As most folks would agree, depending on your process, you may only need the ability to have a reliable DB which can revert to older file versions when you need to. Most any VCS will do this... But when you start to add more and more complexity to the dev process (shared vs. isolated workspaces, parallel development, the need for simultaneous checkouts, etc.) you may find the need for a more robust tool.

    We've been able to run many projects in ClearCase, with many differing development methodologies, and the system has been relatively easy to set up and work with. It's got bugs, but is frequently patched, and I've never run into a "show stopper".

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    Re: SourceSafe vs. Clearcase vs. PVCS???

    Varous groups in our company has used both PVCS Version Manager and Microsoft Visual SourceSafe as their VCS tool to control C/Visual C++ projects.

    A fairly new Java development group found both lacking in some aspect. Sorry, I really wish I knew what was lacking PVCS VM and VSS, but I don't. Due to some past experience this group tried and are currently using an open source tool called CVS. Don't know much about it either.

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